Friday, February 26, 2010

Designed by Sadists

We pulled all the glass except the vent windows. Couldn't get a screwdriver on the screw on the hinge side of the door. Just one screw left holding it on. We couldn't figure out how to remove the door, as the door stop looks like it's permanently attached.

We decided to punt and work on pulling off the front wheel assembly to compare with a midget assembly. My hope is the midget assembly will be a mostly bolt in replacement with disc brakes. The bolts for the lower control arm came out after removing every connected assembly withing 6". The upper control arms were worse. I ended up cutting the shock off, but will have to remove the spring to finish the job. We worked until about 930pm. Ugh, what a night. There goes my hope of looking at the midget assembly this weekend.

Thursday, February 25, 2010

I found a midget!

They want $35 per side for the control arms/brake setup. They’re in Landrum and generally open 8-530. May try to get out there next Friday if I can determine a 72 midget will work for the nash. I may need to pull a control arm and tire off and take it with me.

Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Tuesday 2/23/2010 Update

We had a new guy, Tom show up. He had planned on just eyballing the operation and seeing what kinda crazy we really are, but ended up helping. Thanks for the help Tom! I hope to see you Thursday and for future work dates.

We cut out a bit of the rusty floor and got the tranny in position. We also put the engine in the bay and bolted it to the tranny so we would know what we're working  with. Since the steering linkage goes over the engine, we had to drop it low. That screws up the placement of the fan on the radiator. We may have to go with an electric fan. The next step is to talk someone into doing some welding work for us. I've got my feelers out, so we'll see.

Thursday we'll pull the glass and maybe cut the roof to have easier access to get the cage in.

Friday, February 19, 2010

Suit up!

I just ordered my race suit for Rockingham's Chump Car race on March 13, 2010. I'll be sporty fellow in all red along with the 50 other sporty all red fellows. I ordered the Lemons all-in-one package. Hopefully I'll be doing this a long time and will get a lot of use out of it.

New arrivals

I've had a lot of packages come in this week:
  • Spark plugs, wires, oil filters (only 2 right now will get more next order) from RockAuto.com. Everything here was close out or on sale.
  • Shift lever bushings from ebay. Thanks Summit Racing for your brass bushings. Now I need to find the shift lever cap that goes in the trasmission. This will take care of the sloppy shifting. The oem is plastic, maybe I'll get lucky and find a suitable substitute made of harder material.
  • A 12v drill. This will be part of the theme. I need to check that it works off the car battery and everything will be good.
The head should be back from the shop early next week. We're blowing out the budget with this, but I hope to recoup some of the money by selling truck parts.

Thursday, February 18, 2010

Welcome again

I've moved the old forum posts here. I'll start posting updates. You can follow the feed so you don't have to check the page. Ain't technology grand?

Status Update for February (from old forums)

Status Update for February

by clowntrigger on 12 Feb 2010 13:10

We got a bit of work done on the Nash. We've pulled the bed and cab off the 620. It's ready if we want to mount the Nash body onto it like a monkey riding an elephant, but we're going to try the engine in the Nash for now. We pulled the engine off the 620 frame. Rolled the Nash in garage and tried to shoe-horn the engine/tranny into it. It’s just about 4” too long. We’re going to separate the pair and put the tranny in, then put the engine in and mate it up. At that point, we’ll see what we need to do for fabrication.

I took the head to Dover Cylinder to have them pressure test it. I should hear from them on Monday (2/15). Hopefully our intermix problem was just a bad gasket.

Got a bunch of tune up parts from RockAuto: filter, plugs, wires. Picked up a carb rebuild from AutoZone. Eric is going to tackle that and give us a fire spewing beast.

Until I can get hold of a welder, we have a ton of little stuff that will keep us busy.
1. Clean all the parts we've removed from the engine
2. Remove the glass from the Nash and sell.
3. Put engine back together
4. Paint car

Still noodling on how to stop the Nash. It has drum brakes. There is a disc conversion option, but nothing written up on the web. There's a guy that sells a video on how to do it, so I may invest in it. It involves MG and/or Sprite parts from what I can gather.

Current Theme Idea (from old forums)

Current Theme Idea

by clowntrigger on 17 Dec 2009 13:47

The frame humps up over the rear axle making the overall height in the back about 6" taller than the front. You don't notice this because they do all that fancy metal work with the bed. After pondering this dilemma for a bit without the benefit of Alcohol, I came up with the idea of maybe, just maybe Lemons was ready for its first El Nashamino. Cut off the back foot and a half after the rear window, Ok, maybe it's closer to 3 feet, and put in a shade tree special truck bed ala the tounge and grove wood. We're going to see what it looks like when we get the cab off (at this rate around end of May) and make a final decision.

Work on the car (from old forums)

Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 22 Oct 2009 12:59

Eric and I will be sanding on the car tonight (Thursday 10/22). It's going to be a short session because the lure of the sander is too much for my boys (soon to be 7 and 3) and keeps them up and out past their bed time. We're going to try to do 2 nights every week until we get it done. Hey, it's a small car, it should take too long.

If you want to stop by and see the car, let me know.
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Re: Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 23 Oct 2009 15:10

We put in a new engine and the car rocks! I think it's pushing about 1/4 hp at this time.
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Re: Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 27 Oct 2009 00:21

Nothing going on this week. Birthdays and travel are preempting work. We'll be back at it next Tue/Thur 530-700 pm at my house. This is also a great time for the curious to stop by, take a look and share some beer with us that you brought. :-)
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Re: Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 18 Nov 2009 19:46

Have been stuck on trying to get bed off truck. Mike recommended a nut splitter, so I picked up one from HF today. Hopefully I can give it a try before I leave for the weekend. If not, I'll have Tues/Wed of next week at home to work on the car and I'll report back.
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Re: Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 24 Nov 2009 15:45

Woohoo! Success on bolt removal. I was able to remove a bolt using the nut splitter.

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So, it looks like Eric will have some work to do this evening. :-)
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Re: Work on the car

by clowntrigger on 17 Dec 2009 13:29

We ran out of steam on the nut splitter. It worked it's magic on 4, but the other 4 were just too much for it to handle. It is now resting quietly in a padded tool box drawer. In it's place, I brought out the sawzall with a metal cutting blade. I went through the remaining 4 in the time it took to get the splitter setup and turning on one. Live and learn. So along with the news of all the bed bolts being off, we removed the bed. It was heavy, unwieldy and a pain in the ass to move, but we got it off and in the back yard. Plus the gas tank was attached to the bed, so that had to be removed.

Next on the agenda it replacing the back tires with a set that will hold air. I'll get pictures so you can see the tread wear. It's just strange. The ignition module (? where the key goes in) needs a new key. I lost the other set. We were hot wiring it, but that's a pain. And we will need to mount the gas tank so we can drive it in and around the yard. I'll need to recruit someone with welding skill to help with that.

After that, it will be cab removal time. Oh, this part is going to be glorious, part removal heaven. Looks like the steering column and heater core need to come out. After that, it's kinda guess work and much referencing to the Haynes manual.

Donor Car (from old forums)

Donor Car

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 17:31

I'm think it would be better to run a RWD car with manual transmission. Either Front engine or Mid engine.

I found this last week. http://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/1376663629.html.
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Re: Donor Car

by clowntrigger on 25 Sep 2009 00:40

I'm thinking a Toyota MR2 would be a better fit. It's smaller than the Fiero.


1995 MR2 Performance, Engine & Power Specs
2,164 cc 2.2 liters 4 in-line mid transverse engine with 87.1 mm bore, 91 mm stroke, 9.8 compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder
Power: SAE and 101 kW , 135 HP @ 5,400 rpm; 145 ft lb , 197 Nm @ 4,400 rpm
External dimensions: overall length (mm): 4,171, overall width (mm): 1,699, overall height (mm): 1,234, wheelbase (mm): 2,400, front track (mm): 1,471, rear track (mm): 1,450 and curb to curb turning circle (mm): 9,784
Weights: gross vehicle weight rating (kg) 1,529 and curb weight (kg) 1,175
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Re: Donor Car

by clowntrigger on 25 Sep 2009 01:25

Code: Select all
Car overall overall overall front rear
length(mm) width(mm) height(mm) wheelbase(mm)track(mm) track(mm) gvwr(kg) Power Engine
1953-1961 Met 3800 1600 1420 2200 1150 1140 851 47 bhp 1489cc
1995 MR2 4171 1699 1234 2400 1471 1450 1529 135 HP 2,164cc I4
1988 Fiero 3456 1752 1191 2372 1506 1508 1180 98 hp 2.5L I4



Ok, it took me 45 minutes to format this. If it's completely unreadable, let me know.
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Re: Donor Car

by clowntrigger on 27 Sep 2009 14:40

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/1393603265.html

69 chevy longbed truck it needs wiring done no lights work. has orginal motor a inline 6. Runs but needs lots of gas an a battery. will make a great work truck or hobby truck. will take 800 obo or will trade.

This would look great in the engine bay! Simple, clean no emissions.
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Re: Donor Car

by mechimike on 20 Oct 2009 17:25

RWD and small is the most fun. We have a blast driving our Volvo Amazon. Basically, think go-kart.
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Re: Donor Car

by clowntrigger on 20 Oct 2009 17:40

I really enjoyed seeing you guys at CMP in Sept. The Amazon looks like a low rider.

I've got a Datsun 620 that will donate it's engine. That will about double the Nash's original hp, so it should be fun.

Are you still testing your car at Sam's or have you found a better (more discrete) place to run? I was thinking the Greenville Drive old ball field parking lot off Mauldin Rd.
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Re: Donor Car

by andyshoun on 22 Oct 2009 01:01

The best place to test a car is the unused airstrip at Donaldson. You have to drive past a couple "Do Not .." signs, but I've never been asked to leave. It is pretty obvious on Google map.
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Re: Donor Car

by mechimike on 04 Nov 2009 20:59

We chopped about 2.5" of ride height off the Amazon from the first race to the second. Didn't cost us a dime, and helped our handling a BUNCH. This time we're surfing for stiffer front springs, since the car still tends to dive in around corners in hard braking. White Horse J/Y may be a source...also, a co-worker has some old Mustang springs that look like they may fit.

More HP = fun, but good handling is more important, IMO. We tested our handling at an abandoned parking lot, location somewhat not-a-secret, but we were there for 3 hours one Saturday and no one gave us any problems.

The Car: Nash Metropolitan (from old forums)


The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 17:25
I pulled this from another thread just to make it easy to find. I don't know the year, but I'll see what I can find one I start pulling the crap out of the car.

Front:
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Driver's side:
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Passenger side:
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Back:
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Interior:
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Interior: (note the correct mouting location and position of the radiator)
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Interior:
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Re: The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by SideWayz on 24 Sep 2009 17:51
Did you remember to get Jimmy Hoffa's body out of the trunk?
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Re: The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 19:46
I'll pull it out this evening with the rest of the crap.
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Re: The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by jalexiou on 20 Oct 2009 12:44
I finally found a use for the (Guinness World Car Record) book that I own. I have all the stats for the Nash Metropolitans. I dont know how to attach a scan of the appropriate page so I am going to sent it to Chris and let him figure it out.
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Re: The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by clowntrigger on 20 Oct 2009 17:32
This is the OCR of the information. I'll post a pic when flickr is back online.

3202 Nash

Metropolitan 1500
1958 UK
75.5mph 121.5kmh 0-50mph 8O.5kmh: 14.8secs
0-60mph 96.5kmh: 22.9secs
0-1/4mile: 22.1secs
47.0bhp 35.0kW 47.6PS @4100rpm
74.0lbft 100.3Nm @ 2100rpm
56.1 bhp/ton 55.2bhp/tonne
31.6bhp/L 23.5kW/L 32.0PS/L
39.9ft/sec 12.2m/sec
15.4mph 24.8kmh/1000rpm
31.0mpg 25.8mpgUS 9.1L/100km
Petrol 4-stroke piston
1489cc 90.8cu in
In-line 4 1 Carburettor
Compression ratio: 7.2:1
Bore: 73.1 mm 2.9in
Stroke: 89.0mm 3.5in
Valve type/No: Overhead 8
Transmission: Manual
No. of forward speeds: 3
Wheels driven: Rear
Springs F/R: Coil/Leaf
Brakes F/R: Drum/Drum
Wheelbase: 215.9cm 85.0in
Track F: 115.3cm 45.4in
Track R: 113.8cm 44.8in
Length: 379.7cm 149.5in
Width: 156.2cm 61.5in
Height: 143.5cm 56.5in
Ground clearance: 16.3cm 6.4in
Kerb weight: 851.7kg 1876.0lb
Fuel: 39.8L 8.6gal 10.5galUS

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Re: The Car: Nash Metropolitan

by andyshoun on 22 Oct 2009 00:59
The Nash is crazy awesomeness. It is an automatic entry acceptance to any LeMons race. I'm looking forward to seeing the beast in person.

LKQ Parts on White Horse (from old forums)

LKQ Parts on White Horse

by clowntrigger on 10 Sep 2009 20:58

It's a pick a parts yard. You go in and pull what you need. Open weekends!

(864) 277-2288
1300 White Horse Rd

9:00 – 5:30 M-F
8:00 – 4:30 S-S
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Re: LKQ Parts on White Horse

by mechimike on 20 Oct 2009 17:23

I need to go there. I've been wanting to get there since I heard of it. Road trip!
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Re: LKQ Parts on White Horse

by clowntrigger on 20 Oct 2009 17:42

Their turn over doesn't seem to be high. I'm guessing every 2-3 weeks. I'm going to stop by at lunch this week and see if there's anything new there. They're just down the road from work, so that makes it easy for me. Need to see if I can get a carb and some electronic ignition stuff.
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Kill Switch Info (from old forums)

Kill switch info

by clowntrigger on 12 Oct 2009 17:37

From http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=496


for the tech that is bured in this thread, i'll try to repost and expand upon it:

we're running two kill swtiches, one within reach of the driver, one within reach of safety personell.

our driver's swtich is mounted on the tunnel, next to the shifter, on a panel with our fuel pump and fan toggle and starter button. our witness switch is mounted on the passenger side of the cowl, all by itself. our battery is mounted to the floor board where the back of the passenger seat used to be.

the postive lead from the battery runs to the hot side of the driver's switch. the cold side of the driver's switch is connected to the hot side of the witness switch. the cold side of the witness switch is the distribution point for the run to the main fuse box and the starter, plus new wiring that runs to the ignition switch, and to our fuel pump toggle.

the last 'new' wire is our re-routed altenator charge wire (and this is where most people's tech failures probably come from). it runs from the alternator's output post to the hot side of the driver's switch.


this setup puts all the hot (the constant 12 volt from the battery, and the 'running' 12 volt from the alternator) on one end of the switches, and the all the draw (the car, the starter, the fuel pump) at the other end.

i figure one of two things fail tech:
1) the kill switch interrupts the normal battery cable lead, which does nothing to stop a running alternator from supplying power to run the car.
2) the kill switch interrupts the ignition switch power, which will kill the motor, but does nothing to de-power the non-switched stuff like the fans.

Team Name? (from old forums)

Team Name?

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 17:15

I'm thinking Broken Mirror Racing.

Car Selection (from old forums)

Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 09 Sep 2009 12:47

We need to decide on what car we want to run. From my limited reading, I would recommend a small car with manual transmission. This will save on gas and brakes and be easier to move around the track. That being said, I do have a waiver from the organizers to run the 64 Caddy (http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/1354638517.html) that Dustin found.
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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 13:19

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 13:23

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 13:24

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/1372711071.html

hyundai excel with broken timing belt
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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 13:26

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 13:27

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 14 Sep 2009 15:46

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 15:13

OK, Car selection is done! I pulled this out of a backyard in Matthews, NC. I would have taken pictures then, but it was dark and I wanted to get back.

So, without further ado, here it is:

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Re: Car Selection

by clowntrigger on 24 Sep 2009 15:22

Ok, ok, here are the rest of the pictures.

Front:
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Driver's side:
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Passenger side:
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Back:
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Interior:
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Interior: (note the correct mouting location and position of the radiator)
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Interior:
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